Windows Refund from Dell

Today, two months after ordering my new laptop from Dell I got a refund for €154.28: the price I paid for Microsoft Windows and Works. This was after many emails to customer support and lodging a claim with the Small Claims Court.

In June I began looking into buying a new laptop to replace my PowerBook G4 12″, which was starting to get a little slow for me. I had been thinking of getting another Mac but I discovered the Dell XPS M1330 and it looked like it might be a good substitute for a MacBook. I also realised that this would give me the option to switch back to using Linux as my main OS on my personal machine.

The Dell XPS M1330 is actually sold preinstalled with Ubuntu Linux in some parts of the world but not Ireland. This was good news from the point of view of compatibility but it would mean buying the system with Windows pre-installed and wiping it later.

I ordered the system on the 25th June and it was delivered on the 4th July. I say it was delivered, but it was missing an important part: the battery! But I didn’t let that stand in my way: I booted straight off an Ubuntu install CD, wiped the system and got up and running in Ubuntu. I contacted Dell about the missing battery and they sent one out a few days later.

With the battery issue sorted out I decided it was time to return the unwanted software with unacceptable licence terms that Dell had included in my order. On the 10th July I wrote to Dell customer service:

I would like to return Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Works 9 and Roxio Creator software supplied with my computer for a full refund as I do not accept the licence agreements.

Please let me know how I should proceed. I am happy to destroy or return software media, licence keys, etc.

I got a response the same day saying:

I am sorry but we will not be able to cancel software media and license.

We will be able to cancel the complete order and refund the complete amount under 7 days but will not be able to cancel the software media and license.

I wrote back pointing out the clause in the software licence agreement that came with the system that says:

“If you do not agree to these terms, promptly return all Software items (disks, written materials, and packaging) and delete any preloaded or embedded Software.”
from “Dell Computers and Monitors Product Information Guide”, page 8 (Barcode 0HY356A05).

I explained that I had already deleted the software and would be happy to return the discs and licence keys. I also asked for a refund for the software. Admittedly the licence didn’t say I was entitled to a refund but my reasoning was that since I paid for these pieces of software I should get my money back if I am returning them.

I got a response the next day that quoted a  bit of the Terms and Conditions of sales for the UK which said that I would lose my right to return software supplied on DVD if it was unwrapped. I pointed out that I wasn’t in the UK, that I was referring to preinstalled software, and that I hadn’t unwrapped the restore/install disks.

I received a reply to this with a different excuse: “The Operating System is factory installed and so we will not be able to cancel it.” I replied that there didn’t seem to be anything in the licence that excluded preinstalled software from  being returned.

In my response I raised the issue that Dell had given refunds in similar cases in Ireland, the UK and the USA. I also mentioned that if Dell had offered the system with Ubuntu pre-installed in Ireland then I would not be complaining.

A few days later I got a reply from the supervisor of the customer service agent I had been dealing with again refusing to accept return of the software:

The reason being, these are pre installed in the system and though you have not used it or have deleted it from your system we would not be able to cancel for a refund.

I replied on 15th July reiterating all the point I had made. I made an estimate of how much I was entitled to as a refund (at this point I didn’t know how much I had actually been charged) and I threatened to take the matter to the Small Claims Court if I didn’t get a response.

A week later I hadn’t got a resposne and I wrote saying again that I was willing to return the software and giving Dell another week to respond. After the week had elapsed on the 31st July I called Dell customer service in the hope that I might get some response by speaking in person. This call was largely futile: the agent argued that I couldn’t return the software because I already had a licence key and they wouldn’t be able to reuse it if I returned the software (or something like that).

However, the call was not entirely wasted because I asked how much I had been charged for the pre-installed software and the agent was happy to tell me that it was €115.92 for Windows and  €11.59 for Works before VAT at 21%. That came to €154.28 after VAT, a significant portion of what I was charged for the system as a whole. I emailed Dell to revise my request for refund to this amount and to let them know that I would be making a complaint to the Small Claims Court on the 5th August if I hadn’t heard from them.

On the 5th August I made a claim via the Small Claims Online System. I had to fill in my details, Dell’s details, the amount claimed and a brief description of the claim. I then had to give my credit card details to pay the €15 fee and I was given a reference number and the impressive-looking title of the case: DAVID O’CALLAGHAN -V- DELL PRODUCTS.
Dell were served with the claim on the 8th August and were given 15 calendar days to respond.

I contacted the Small Claims office today to find out what should happen now that the 15 days are up and was told that in practice the registrar can allow the respondent six weeks to reply: I was told to wait until 19th September.

But when I got home there was a nice surprise for me. A letter from Dell with a cheque attached for €154.28. The letter itself was artfully vague:

Further to your recent enquiry please find enclosed a cheque for the amount:
€154.28

Yours Sincerely,
Refunds Department,
Dell Products.

Now technically Dell haven’t admitted the claim (i.e. accepted that I was entitled to a refund). If they did they should have sent the cheque to the Small Claims registrar. I suppose, It’s possible that their response to the registrar was sent at the same time as my cheque but just hasn’t arrived yet.

Anyway, tomorrow I will post the rejected software and Windows licence key sticker back to Dell and lodge my refund cheque.

About these ads

Tags: , , , ,

18 Responses to “Windows Refund from Dell”

  1. keith Says:

    awesome…..

  2. Jonathan Cremin Says:

    Good to hear someone in Ireland had some success with this and the steps you had to go through. I was competely unaware that we had Small Claims Online System too.

  3. Adam I Orre Says:

    Great work!

    I hope this kind of forced software bundling soon will be declared illegal.

    This policy, to force people to buy an OS which one doesn’t want or will use
    is also strange from a business perspective. I doubt that the computer
    manufacturer makes a profit on the OS, so basically we customers are
    punished by having to pay social welfare to Microsoft, each time we bay
    a computer.

  4. Andrew Says:

    dude thats awesome seems like alot work for not so much money but its the principle that counts.

  5. Robins Says:

    Hi David,

    I am sure that exercise took some energy out, but the way I look at it, it was worth it. Quite worth it.

    But to be frank, I would really recommend that this be taken up further. And although its easier said than done, if you look at it from a third-person’s point of view, the whole reason why Dell didn’t admit anything is because the next person in line would have to go through the same ordeal … probably making him/her step down somewhere down the line.

    With a cheque in hand, if you could only persist in ‘getting a response’ from Dell as to whether they agree or disagree, and if they disagree, why did they send a cheque directly… it may help someone else pursue their case speedily.

    Looking forward to an update…

    Robins

  6. Curtis Cunningham Says:

    love it! :)

  7. Massimo Moruzzi Says:

    way to go!

  8. Andrew Bettison Says:

    I’m sure that Dell are secretly pleased to have this story published. It shows how they are fulfilling their commitment to collect the Microsoft tax on all shipped systems, by obstructing refunds every step of the way.

    I imagine this article and others like it will make it easier for Dell to demonstrate their cooperation when it comes to the next review of their contract with Microsoft.

    Now, if we really wanted to make Dell squirm, we’d need a blog entry about someone who rang Dell for their money back, and got the cheque in the mail promptly, with their blessing, and without even having to send back their Windows license keys…

  9. Arjuna Says:

    I have the same Dell laptop with the same great OS but in Italy is impossible to have a refund due to local Dell’s evil term of use. Next time I’ll buy it in Ireland :)

  10. dat » Dell e il rimborso della licenza Windows (in Irlanda) Says:

    […] Di quello che mi era stato detto in Italia ne ho parlato qui, come spesso accade in altri paesi sono molto più avanti. Prendi l’Irlanda ad esempio: seguendo una “semplice” procedura chiunque può farsi restituire 150€ da Dell per la licenza di Windows Vista. […]

  11. sshanky Says:

    Good job. If everyone interested in using something other than Windows would follow this course, perhaps the markets could be changed.

  12. Ciarán Coffey Says:

    Wow, didn’t think it would work over here, fair play.

  13. J. Pablo Fernández Says:

    When I bought my Dell laptop in Ireland I’ve ended up talking with the sales department and they’ve sold me a Linux pre-installed one coming from UK with free shipping. So that might have been an option.

  14. Jens Says:

    Good job. I’m about to order a Dell laptop too, and I will attempt the same over here (Norway). It’s bundled with Vista, but I already own an XP license (and I have no intentions of running Vista anyway…)

    Let’s see how it works out over here.

  15. David Says:

    Nice to see this made it onto Reddit.

  16. SueThem Says:

    Hey Jens, skip the emailing back and forth, just write one email asking for a refund, if they don’t comply, send a second email telling them you’re going to court and do so. They hate legal confrontations and they rather pay $100 than put their legal dept to work for more.

  17. dotcoma » Blog Archive » Vista refund – un altro caso Says:

    […] con un post scritto davvero molto bene. Vi prego di notare anche smallclaims.ie. E da noi? da noi sì e no il […]

  18. azhar Says:

    I think this is the same story published by a guy but he got his refund from IBM. There is nothing special about it

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s


Follow

Get every new post delivered to your Inbox.

%d bloggers like this: